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    This story was originally published on RNZ.co.nz and is republished with permission

    A former Australian detective has ridiculed National's zero-tolerance approach to gangs, saying the strategy has been a "disaster" across the ditch.

    The opposition party yesterday proposed setting up an elite police squad - modelled on Strike Force Raptor in New South Wales - with the sole purpose of crushing gangs.

    National leader Simon Bridges repeatedly described the unit as "devastatingly effective" and referenced media reports which claimed it was driving outlaw bikies into extinction.

    But former NSW detective Mike Kennedy told RNZ that was "nonsense" and Bridges was "living a dream" if he believed that.

    "He needs to pull his head out of whatever it's stuck in because ... [gangs] exist. They're always going to exist. They just go underground.

    "I'm not a bleeding heart liberal," he said. "But [the zero-tolerance strategy has] just been a disaster."

    Kennedy spent much of his time with the police as an undercover officer working in organised crime and is now a senior lecturer at Western Sydney University.

    He said there was no evidence to suggest that gang numbers had fallen dramatically since the formation of Strike Force Raptor a decade ago.

    "Outlaw motorcycle gangs are unregulated, so how would you know?" he said. "They're not required to pay a fee ... and register with government. So any suggestion that the numbers are down is just nonsense."

    Kennedy said the problem had just been driven underground.

    "People don't stop being members of groups just because they've been arrested. They go into jail, they reinforce themselves, they come out, [and] they get more of a reason to remain in the group they're in."

    Police officers needed a working relationship with communities, including gang members, so they would cooperate with investigations, he said.

    "You need this community to trust you so that when things need to be brought into line, the police are able to go in and speak to people and find out who's ... behaving really badly, and who needs to be put in jail," Kennedy said.

    "If you want those families to help the police ... then you can't just tar them all with the same brush. And that's what Raptor does."

    National's law and order discussion document describes Strike Force Raptor as a "proactive, high-impact specialist unit" designed to target outlaw motorcycle gangs and associated criminal enterprises.

    The elite military-style unit was set up in 2009 following a deadly clash between the Hells Angels and Comancheros at Sydney Airport.

    The strike force is designed to punish gang members via all legal avenues, coming after them for any infraction, no matter how minor, from a parking fine to a punch-up.

    A Nine News report earlier this year stated Strike Force Raptor had made more than 5000 arrests and laid more than 12,000 charges over the past decade. The unit had also seized 1700 illegal firearms and shut down more than 50 clubhouses, it said.

    NSW Police declined to provide RNZ with evidence of Strike Force Raptor's success, saying it was not "appropriate" for it to comment on a matter "out of our jurisdiction".

    The media team also refused to reveal the size of the unit or its annual operating cost.

    Speaking to Morning Report, Bridges promised the party would release figures "in the next little while" which would prove the unit's effectiveness.

    "We are at this moment, in fact, talking to the government in New South Wales to compile the data."

    This story was originally published on RNZ.co.nz and is republished with permission

    Videoed interview on the link
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...ce-raptor-plan

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  • #2
    cheers Prickle

    But former NSW detective Mike Kennedy told RNZ that was "nonsense" and Bridges was "living a dream" if he believed that.

    "He needs to pull his head out of whatever it's stuck in because ... [gangs] exist. They're always going to exist. They just go underground.

    "I'm not a bleeding heart liberal," he said. "But [the zero-tolerance strategy has] just been a disaster."

    Finally someone talking reality and not listening to Govco Spin.

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    • #3
      I thought it was a sure sign of an out-of-touch government and community when they first suggested a ban on colours.

      I recall voicing my concern with the view that I'd rather know who I'm dealing with because there is a label attached in the patch than be totally ignorant and walk into a situation out of ignorance.

      It's no different than any other thing - undercover vs uniformed cops for example. Facebook sites which on first spec to be educating, but really are selling something, door knockers on a Saturday. There are lots of examples of first appearances being a ruse.

      Where bikers are concerned, the way it was always stood me in good stead, right from having arrived at a pub with a mate on our Honda 750s which was surrounded by Harleys and inside was full of patches - this place was not for us. Another time, I was travelling down the road and found, about 5 km South of town a group of 25 or 30 preparing to bed down at sundown. Thinking I might stop and give them some local advice along the lines of "you know the Murray River is just down that road there. There'd be a beach and pleasant camp site on the River that you'd have all to yourselves just a couple of Kays away." I don't know for what reason they had chosen that particular spot - next to a busy country highway on a "transport night" (Thursday), but guess they probably wanted to meet up with others en-route to Melbourne or North and wanted to be conspicuous enough for those others to find easily so they could all head off together once assembled in the morning, or later that night. I thought my offer of advice might not be useful so kept going once I saw the signs. These are only two examples. I can recall many others when the signs were obvious. May potentially prickly encounters avoided. Let it be.

      He's right you know. Repeat for so many things. Guns, drugs, prostitution, gambling you name it. The government thinks that they can just eradicate things by legislation and enforcement. It doesn't work.

      Armed robbers still have weapons, and recreational drugs have never been more available. Everyone bears the cost of these measures, when actually, liberalisation is the best harm minimisation strategy available. With Gambling and prostitution, the government has seen the light, but only because there is money to be made for people of influence who have an interest. In the case of recreational drugs, well there is a real earner if made legal again. The state of Colorado in the USA tagged all moneys collected to be put towards Education. Well it's been better than they had hoped, without the enforcement / legal process / incarceration bill for the marijuana offenders money going into hospitals as well. There is only so much you can do with colossal amounts of revenue in one field of endeavour. There hasn't been a blowout in the drug rehabilitation required - the same percentage of people will use them, just as the same proportion of the population will have a gambling problem, the same for clients seeking hookers, people wanting to do crime and seek to improve their chances by carrying weapons.

      It is a sign of a "mature" government when it recognises what and when things work and what doesn't. Rabid legislation and enforcement does not, particularly when laden with the amount of collateral damage caused, such has been the case with "Anti-bikie Legislation," none of which is needed. We already had publicans right to exclude patrons, anti-consorting, affray, in the case of bikies, if it comes to that. However, there is paradigm to consider. This is the way things have always been done. It doesn't really matter that the war on drugs has still not been won some 80 years on as a measure of the strength of the legislate/enforce paradigm. This begs the question, Why? In each case the answer is the same, because the pollies want to be seen as doing something about a perceived problem; think about the jobs for the "boys." This is an unhealthy thing which really needs a look at. There are some powerful perspectives to bring to bear. Economics for example, needs no explanation, the community psyche - the hoi poloi will respect a government which appears to care about its people. Where money is put into rehabilitation and diversion, that would be a sign. As it is, the big profits are going into the hands of crims. Lose a shipment? Never mind, another will be along soon. Losses can be covered. No empire is crushed. Think of the effect of a 30 million dollar outright loss on any legitimate business - think larger players in any industry - auto spares, supermarkets. They can, and do insure against loss. The drug trade does not, nor does the trade in illegal weaponry. If someone is forced from the game, another will just take their place. This can only happen because it is straightforward enough to make the connections that need to be made to continue the trade.

      Now the latest thing is making everyone accountable for all the money they spend, by eliminating cash. This will have an enormous collateral effect. Hey, we already have Bitcoin, just as we have "the dark web" life goes on. The only thing that will change is the amount of personal record keeping that each and every one of us will have to do, instead of getting out a fixed amount of money in cash to last (1 week, 2 weeks) and that keeps things simple, there is no over-run, and special purchases are then special purchases. A truly cashless economy is a "pig in a poke" to us "real people" but is being sold as a thing which will be good for us. The simple fact is, that most people will see it as a grab for your money at a time when people are seeing less and less of it and feeling like the bitches of capitalism - mere economic units and pawns for profit for both government and the banks. Keep the cash. It is a sign that the government actually cares about you. It is optional whether and to what extent one participates in the "underground cash economy" Capitalism and the government wants all you have to give. If ever there was evidence of this, consider the Centrelink overpayment recovery scandal. The ruse is in the fight organised crime mantra. The collateral damage is all we will see. You will pay more. That is for sure.

      Anyway, I digress.

      I think the bottom line is our politicians do not always act in the best interests of the people. One has to question why. They need to get their hands out of the generous pockets which put them in office. How are you ever going to get them to legislate that away.

      My rave for the day
      The trick is to grow old. "Growing up" is less important than surviving.

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      • #4
        Amen Jstava
        SINNERS MCC AUSTRALIA
        If we believe in “freedom”, we don’t get to choose whose freedom is most worth defending.
        Out of 5 million sperm... your the retard that got through? and I thought I was having a bad day!

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        • #5
          I don't really know why I wrote all that. I guess I just wanted to unload a bit. Having bit of a Grrrrrr! day I guess. It's pretty sloppy.

          I really didn't want to get into the hypothetical - If they were to do what they did in Colorado here, they could fix all the hospitals (the Alfred in Melbourne which does cranial and spinals is a wreck) but no, a government would want the surplus from a reduction in law enforcement and the tax revenue collected to go into consolidated revenue where they could continue to treat it like they do all the rest of the money - spend it like drunken heirs to the family fortune in pork barreling marginal electorates and subsidising and encouraging industry developments which really do not need subsidising and are of dubious value anyway. Think Adani, and "pet" developments such as those in the upper Darling which they have done, at the widespread detriment of irrigation dependent agriculture and environment elsewhere. A few people win. Lots of people lose.

          These people are simply fucktards of the highest order and while it might be acceptable to claim that they don't actually represent who they say they represent, that's not totally true. I just wish they'd stop the sham, and the waste of my tax money on things which don't actually need it simply in order to improve their chances at the next election, in deference to the treatment of the poor cousins in safe (one way or the other) electorates. (Pork barrelling) Democratic government is broken when this happens. It's simply a tactic which should be regarded as misconduct of the highest order. It would be fair when this happens, to disallow the party which does this from holding the seat for 2 elections. How are you ever going to get our politicians to support such an idea?

          Don't get me started on their pursuit of things which do not work - and are therefore a colossal waste of money (our money), micromanagement of government functions by ministers with no idea, or their complete lack of vision for the medium and long term future. The current crop just want to make their buddies rich and win the next election majority assured. Absolute majorities in both houses being a pollie's wet dream fantasy. There will be no revolution in Australia, but the public is starting to see that actual public debate is thin on the ground, and news only gets made when something is stuck by the inability to get passed. Were there to be numerous parties, to get consensus, there would have to be actual debate (What! more sitting time?), and there would be no room for "riders" and the public might actually be more inclined to take an interest. No, if there is a revolution, it will have to take this form for a start. I am certain that many things which have been handed over to the private sector, compliments of a government looking after their wealthy friends, would never have happened. How much sense has it made to sell off the cash cows (Telstra, utilities etc.) this has denied the government the profits, inserted a voracious profit motive and made us all pay more for a poorer level of service. We are well on the way to the sort of society America has become with the poor, pitifully poor (think homeless and hungry), everybody struggling, and the elite as isolated from reality as ever.

          When a government responds to all with the sort of legislate, enforce mentality that they have, and milks the taxpayer harder to make up the budget shortfall and assaults us with the level of propaganda that they do, it's a sign of desperation. They are not doing well. Law and order has traditionally been a "winner" and blind Freddy can see that for all the hype is just about pushing the same old buttons. Scare only works for a while, and what is being done on the bikie front is just an expensive window dress which hasn't really changed a thing except the logos (now there are none). It's a government which is desperate to be seen to be doing the right thing. It's not working. They know it, so it gets kept in the news, and we all get to keep on paying the bills, which are not getting any smaller.

          Another Grrrr! day I guess.

          I've just spent a day on a "cover someone's arse" training course. I have all the skills, the knowledge but lack the detail (names of the acts, the policy references, oh and don't forget the lengthy (not so) memnonic acronyms etc). We put the 2 days into a short 2/3 of one day and someone got to put ticks in boxes. I could have used the day much more productively in my view. At least it didn't go on for the second day.
          The trick is to grow old. "Growing up" is less important than surviving.

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          • #6
            I enjoyed your logic and intelligent rant, fucktards indeed....

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